The Carlyle, A Rosewood Hotel — New York, USA
Four Seasons Hotel New York Downtown — New York, USA — A Four Seasons in Lower Manhattan near the World Trade Center

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The Carlyle, A Rosewood Hotel vs Four Seasons Hotel New York Downtown

The Carlyle, A Rosewood Hotel: Art deco rooms, Ludwig Bemelman's murals, chandeliers and wood panelling get consistent praise. Four Seasons Hotel New York Downtown: The indoor pool and locker rooms get repeated praise, including steam rooms in the changing area.

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Rosewood

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The Carlyle, A Rosewood Hotel

New York, USA

A room here starts around $1,400 a night and a basic deluxe king can run closer to $1,200 before taxes, and what you get for it is a hotel that still feels like a hotel rather than a lobby full of…

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Four Seasons

Fat Approved

Four Seasons Hotel New York Downtown

New York, USA

A Four Seasons in Lower Manhattan near the World Trade Center, with an indoor pool and CUT by Wolfgang Puck on site.

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Strengths & trade-offs

The Carlyle, A Rosewood Hotel

Strengths

  • Art deco rooms and suites, with the Central Park Suite singled out for space and views
  • Bemelmans Bar and Cafe Carlyle give the hotel a genuine draw beyond the rooms themselves
  • Staff go out of their way, from arranging a house car in the rain to full-floor privacy for a guest recovering from surgery
  • Quiet Upper East Side setting a short walk from Central Park and Madison Avenue shopping

Trade-offs

  • Plant-based and room service dining is limited for a hotel at this level
  • Gym is small and dated compared to nearby competitors like the Surrey
  • Some recent stays report real lapses: brown water, unresolved maintenance issues, cold service
  • Some rooms and bathrooms haven't been renovated in a long time

Four Seasons Hotel New York Downtown

Strengths

  • Large rooms and suites by New York standards, including recently renovated categories
  • Indoor pool with steam rooms built into the locker rooms
  • Calmer, quieter setting than Midtown with easy subway access
  • Staff regularly credited with fast fixes and small personal touches for pets and celebrations

Trade-offs

  • Lobby and public areas read as small and generic to several guests
  • Room service and spa pricing run high, with some guests opting for treatments off property
  • In-room coffee is a basic drip machine, with a paid add-on for a proper espresso setup
  • Service consistency varies, with some doormen and front-desk staff described as indifferent

Scoreboard

DimensionThe Carlyle, A Rosewood Hotel/ 20Four Seasons Hotel New York Downtown/ 20
TierFat FavoriteFat Approved
Overall Fat Score
17+0.5
16.5
Service
17Even

Most guests describe genuine warmth, a complimentary suite upgrade during a cold snap, and staff who remember names, though a handful report cold, dismissive treatment.

17Even
Design
17.5+2.5

Art deco rooms, Ludwig Bemelman's murals, chandeliers and wood panelling get consistent praise, though the elevators and some bathrooms feel their age.

15

Rooms and suites read as spacious and clean but the lobby and public areas get called small, dim and generic by more than one guest.

Location
16.5Even

The Upper East Side address puts Central Park and Madison Avenue shopping within a short walk but sits away from downtown dining and nightlife.

16.5Even

Lower Manhattan near the World Trade Center and Tribeca, calmer than Midtown, with easy subway access but a longer taxi ride from some attractions.

Dining
16+0.5

Bemelmans Bar and Cafe Carlyle draw people back for the jazz and the crowd, but room service is thin and plant-based options are limited.

15.5

CUT by Wolfgang Puck handles breakfast fine and the French toast gets singled out, but room service pricing and slow seating draw complaints.

Wellness
12.5

The gym gets called out as needing a real upgrade, and there is little else on the wellness side to speak of.

17+4.5

The indoor pool and locker rooms get repeated praise, including steam rooms in the changing area, though spa treatment pricing pushed some guests off property.

Where they differ

Both are

Only The Carlyle, A Rosewood Hotel

Ahead on design +2.5 and dining +0.5.

Only Four Seasons Hotel New York Downtown

Ahead on wellness +4.5.

Where they sit

Map showing the location of The Carlyle, A Rosewood Hotel

New York, USA

Map showing the location of Four Seasons Hotel New York Downtown

New York, USA

The Verdicts

The Carlyle, A Rosewood Hotel

A room here starts around $1,400 a night and a basic deluxe king can run closer to $1,200 before taxes, and what you get for it is a hotel that still feels like a hotel rather than a lobby full of phones. The art deco rooms and the Ludwig Bemelman murals in the bar downstairs are the reason people keep coming back, and more than one guest mentions getting waved past the two-hour line at Bemelmans just for being a hotel guest. One traveler recovering from surgery at a nearby hospital was given an entire floor to herself and a stocked kitchen with a blender for protein shakes, arranged by a travel advisor who'd told the hotel why she needed the quiet.

The catch is consistency. Some rooms haven't been touched in years, the elevators are slow, and a few recent stays describe real problems: brown water from the taps, a scabies scare that the hotel wouldn't document, room service orders that never showed up. The food on property is the weakest part of the case — plant-based options are thin, the cheese plate on room service has been described as a few cubes on a dish, and the gym is small enough that regulars book the Surrey next door just to work out. None of that is universal, and the good stays outnumber the bad ones by a wide margin, but at these prices a brown-water afternoon or a missed room service order lands harder than it would somewhere cheaper.

Book it for the Central Park Suite or a high floor if you can get one, for a seat at Bemelmans, and for a version of New York that doesn't exist much anymore. Skip it if what you actually want is a modern gym, adventurous food, or to be near downtown. For anyone chasing old New York glamour with real service behind it, nothing else on the Upper East Side does it quite the same way.

Four Seasons Hotel New York Downtown

This is the Four Seasons for people who want Lower Manhattan over Midtown: near the World Trade Center, an easy walk to Tribeca and Wall Street, close enough to the subway that you skip cabs entirely. What you get for it is a genuinely large room by New York standards, a soaking tub guests keep bringing up unprompted by us asking, and an indoor pool with steam rooms built into the locker area that people plan afternoons around. Staff fixes things fast: one guest had a tub drain issue handled within minutes of calling down, another got an upgrade to an Oculus Suite and a doorman who drove them to Little Italy himself when their car service kept cancelling.

The lobby is small and reads as generic to more than one visitor, and the room décor splits people: some call it elegantly understated, others call it bland for the rate. Room service runs expensive (two coffees and a bowl of berries came to $89 for one guest), and the in-room coffee situation is a real gap: the machine on offer is a basic drip unit, with a Nespresso setup available for $100 including pods. Breakfast at CUT can be slow at peak times, and a handful of stays report doormen or front desk staff going through the motions rather than anticipating anything.

None of that is enough to knock this off the short list for Downtown. Book it for the pool, the space in the room, and a part of the city that stays quiet after 9pm. Travelers who want Midtown energy or a splashier lobby should look elsewhere; travelers who want a calm, well-run base near the Trade Center and Tribeca will get exactly that.

Nicolas, founder of Fat Voyage
Sofie, who runs the Fat Voyage booking desk with Nicolas

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Common questions

Which should I book — The Carlyle, A Rosewood Hotel or Four Seasons Hotel New York Downtown?

The Carlyle, A Rosewood Hotel: Art deco rooms, Ludwig Bemelman's murals, chandeliers and wood panelling get consistent praise. Four Seasons Hotel New York Downtown: The indoor pool and locker rooms get repeated praise, including steam rooms in the changing area.

What's the difference between The Carlyle, A Rosewood Hotel and Four Seasons Hotel New York Downtown?

Both are Urban and Design. The Carlyle, A Rosewood Hotel adds Heritage, Architecture and Romantic; Four Seasons Hotel New York Downtown adds Wellness and Culinary. The Carlyle, A Rosewood Hotel is ahead on the rooms. Four Seasons Hotel New York Downtown is ahead on the spa.

Which is better for wellness, The Carlyle, A Rosewood Hotel or Four Seasons Hotel New York Downtown?

Four Seasons Hotel New York Downtown leads on this. The Carlyle, A Rosewood Hotel: The gym gets called out as needing a real upgrade, and there is little else on the wellness side to speak of. Four Seasons Hotel New York Downtown: The indoor pool and locker rooms get repeated praise, including steam rooms in the changing area, though spa treatment pricing pushed some guests off property.

Which is better for design, The Carlyle, A Rosewood Hotel or Four Seasons Hotel New York Downtown?

The Carlyle, A Rosewood Hotel leads on this. The Carlyle, A Rosewood Hotel: Art deco rooms, Ludwig Bemelman's murals, chandeliers and wood panelling get consistent praise, though the elevators and some bathrooms feel their age. Four Seasons Hotel New York Downtown: Rooms and suites read as spacious and clean but the lobby and public areas get called small, dim and generic by more than one guest.

Where are The Carlyle, A Rosewood Hotel and Four Seasons Hotel New York Downtown?

Both are in New York, about 7.9 km apart — close enough that the choice is the hotel, not the neighbourhood.

How does Fat Voyage compare The Carlyle, A Rosewood Hotel and Four Seasons Hotel New York Downtown?

Fat Voyage scores every hotel out of 20 across five dimensions — service, design, location, dining and wellness — from independent signals: the most active luxury travel communities, major editorial publications, and verified guest reviews, weighted by source credibility, depth and recency. Nothing is paid for, and no hotel can buy a place.